New and Old Fishies: A Theory Defined
February 5, 2007
My parents are still together, amazingly. My father, when I was just a toddler, was working full time and going to college full time having just left the military. He worked hard to make a lot of money, to provide a nice home for us, and tried to protect us from any physical threats. My mother was a stay-at-home mom for both my older sisters and me, the youngest, until I was in about the second or third grade. My dad still works 50-60 hours a week, making use of his degrees and making a nice salary. My mother stays at home and provides daycare for my nephew and watches my daughter and my other sister’s daughter when we need it. I lived your typical and average life with typical mother and father roles.
My mother is starting to discover that she deserves a lot more, and I learned that lesson a long time ago that I needed more from a father then what I was given. Most women are coming to this realization, that we no longer need or rather require a provider and protector. We don’t live in caves anymore, we are no longer embarking on a trip to the new and wild west, and we no longer have to stay home with the kids while Mr. Cleaver, our dear husband and father figure, goes out and provides for us and ultimately makes the choices. This is a new era we are embarking into. We are evolving and becoming new fishies. But evolution is tricky and not always pleasant. So where has evolution left us?
We, as women, are stuck between two worlds. On one hand we are attracted to the manly guy who forgets important occasions, spends a lot of time relaxing, and is very motivated by his work and obtaining a stable and steady income… one that will be enough to provide for others no doubt. On the other hand we are now aware that this is no longer acceptable or feasible for the modern woman. On this current hand of evolution, women now expect a man who has become sensitized to a woman and her needs, the expectation that they should relate to us on a more personal level. Not only are we stuck between what we were raised to be attracted to, but now we have to figure how to attract and foster a more meaningful and fulfilling relationship with men who are going through their own evolution.
The current evolution of man, I will unequivocally admit, is much more intense and much harder than what women are faced with in their current evolution. We know what we are attracted to, we know what we want, and we have the determination to see it through. Men on the other hand not only were raised to be desensitized but do not even know what it means or feels like to become sensitive. They are circling their little fishy tails because they have no idea what else to do. Being emotional and relating to people on an emotional level is not something that you can put into a powerpoint presentation and learn. It is a life long process that is hard until the very end. Women talk through their emotions to strike a balance between cerebral and emotional stability. Men on the other hand have been taught to approach difficulties or problems without emotion and with whatever means it takes to alleviate the problem. Sometimes that means stopping and reverting back to a more stable time. Hence why a lot of women find themselves chugging along only to look next to them to find that their fishy has stopped and began circling their little tail, the fishy saying “just leave me behind.”
We are defining our roles as lovers, wives and husbands, and as mothers and fathers. Mom and wife no longer have to rely on a male for financial security. We can have careers, go to school, buy houses and cars, and even raise children on our own. Stability and physical presence is no longer enough. Taking up space in a home and contributing to the finances is no longer attractive, in fact it is down right aggrevating and obsolete. We can get a smaller home and provide for the household and children just as well without men. But in this scenerio the men are no longer taking up space, neglecting our new needs, and making situations where we have to sacrifice or revert to a traditional role. However; the one thing that is missing from this scenerio is a partner and equal to share our life with.
This is the partner we as women are looking at evolution to give us. Unfortunately we are not able to help very much in speeding this along. This is an evolution that men will have to face on their own and come to terms with. They will have to work hard and they will usually have to start from the inside out. They have to become re-familiarized with their emotional cues and convictions. They have to start relating to people in a whole new way, in a way that cannot be taught by reading a book. It can only be learned by trial and error. They have no role models to look up to, they don’t have peers to turn to, and they have no manual to help them. This is true for both sides of the coin. Women as well have no role models to look up to, no peers to turn to, and no self-help book has come out to help your Old School Fishies turn in to New School Fishies.
I have no doubt that my daughter will refine and define a greater sense of this role. Our generation is faced with serious problems because we are creating new roles, and with that creating new and harder problems. We are making a lot of mistakes, both sexes, and trying to learn ways of fixing them. What will help us in making these new roles? Can we really find a common ground? Can men really relate to women the way we want them to? What can both sexes do for each other to foster better understanding? Are these new roles even workable? These are all questions we are faced with and there are no easy answers. The one question you can ask yourself that will give you a starting point at least is:
How evolved are you on the fishy scale?

HAPPY FISHING EVERYONE!
Amen sista! My dad was military and my parents sound very similar to yours. I totally understand where you’re coming from!
I think I am fairly evolved on the fishy scale. It is true that only through work on ourselves that we can be of any use to each other. I don’t think the evolution of men is any more difficult than that of women, I think you female types have a head start though. My growth has come over time, and it has at times been painful, but without it, I wouldn’t be as comfortable in my own skin as I am today. My old method of dealing with emotions was hide, deny, repress. Nowadays, I deal with my emotions rather than avoiding them.
Excellent blog you!
Thank you guys. And littleJoe, if you ever want to give some of the guys (meaning giving them to me to share) advice on how to take that journey that would be fantastic. I have personally met fishies all over the scale, unfortunately I am still having a hard time picking out which is “old” and which is “new” personally. This is definately not a new thing for girls to be attracted to the old fish, that is mostly all we had. Now there is new fish. It’s made the world a very interesting thing.
I got your note the other day …and came to your site. I am sitting here scratching my head because here I sit, a married man of almost 28 years…with an awesome relationship to my wife. As I checked out your blog I see you have a link to Igill (who I also read) and what I’m hearing is how impossible it is today to be in a long term HEALTHY marriage relationship. It’s not even realistic… I am not speaking down to anyone…just frustrated that there are not more healthy marriage relationships even in existance. Don’t get me wrong…a healthy marriage does not happen by accident…it takes work…..
Over the years,as problems would surface, we’ve done several different things to keep our boat afloat… we’ve opened up our marriage to older couples who seemed to have “fun” vibrant relationships, we’ve also paid counselors to help us find our bearings…I’ve read books on relationships… We’ve invested heavily into this thing called “marriage” and it continues to pay back multiple times over….
SO, rather than keep a good thing to myself I thought, why don’t I create a blog to pass along some of the stuff I’ve learned the hard way..do it w/ a sense of humor (a must have in healthy relationships)…and see where it goes…but after reading your blog (and several others of the same vein)..I deleted my opening introduction….I felt like NOBODY cruising the blog scene is going to be interested in what I say.nobody seems to even be interested in long term…its’ all about “hooking up”/ mind games, etc. Am I wrong?
There is another way…from what most people are settling for today…
Anyway, I can totally relate to having a low sense of self worth when I was younger…it colors all of your relationships…As I sit here today, I am 95% comfortable in my skin…I like who I am…my wife likes me for me…it is awesome to be in a relationship accepted for who I am… warts and all.
Anyway, I’m still debating on whether or not to keep blogging….I feel like a lone voice in crowd of 1000’s who are saying just the opposite. I hope you hear my heart…thanks for listening!
I think you might have misunderstood what my blog is about. It generally is for women who have low self-esteem and have lost their sense of confidence. I too love who I am, there are a lot of people who accept me for who I am, and I fill fullfilled even when I am not in a relationship. I know and accept my faults and I accentuate my strengths.
You might think that most people only want to play mind games, or have random sex. This is just not true. I don’t have to use any other body part other than my hands to count how many people I have slept with and I am almost in my 30’s. I am talking about the very thing you pointed out in your own blog. Pointing out how you see the generation falling to bits in the marriage department. I am trying to quntify it to you.
There is a legitimate reason for this, and I am not seeing this by myself. I see it validated through professional journals and magazines. The roles are shifting. Your persistence to keep yuor marriage happy is not how we were raised, it is the way of the new fishie. Physical presence and supporting the family financially is what we saw, but no longer require.
Please don’t stop writing your blog. I think you have taken what I want and misconstrued it. I am asking for our partners to be emotionally there not just physically. A lot of men have no idea how to do this, and being able to point to one and say “yes you can” is triumphant for me, even if it isn’t in my life.
If anything in your blog you can talk about how you came to be emotionally present for your wife, you can talk about why it is worth the work it takes. If you want, we can even collaborate. I think your blog was complimentary because you wrote of the end product I am trying to teach others.
Thanks for clarifying…(that is one of the aspects of a long term solid marriage)…communication/clarifying what we say and discovering we’ve not been heard
so you try again
I talked to my wife tonight and we’ve decided we’d like to try blogging as a male/female team. What do you think? You’ve given some good starter questions.. as far as “how I came to be emotionally present w/ my wife..and “why it’s worth the work it takes”…excellent suggestions…! keep it up
As you may have noticed I have a knack for understanding relationships, I am highly communicative, and love the aspect of blogging. I personally think it is a great idea to do a blog as a married couple. I would suggest each having your own login, that way you can add her as a user to your blog. So instead of writing the blog together, you can write from the different viewpoints of the topic. But most of all write it for yourselves and write it from your viewpoint.
This blog is what I am passionate about, I research and do interviews. I am completely fascinated with this subject and enjoy writing about it. Your blog should be the same for you. Good luck!
I often wonder if woman have been raised to be attracted to the “manly” guy or whether it’s really a matter of evoultion, it could be hard to make a transition from the “provided for” to the “I can provide for myself” She may voice that as a preference, but maybe something in the subconcious kicks in and she finds herself attracted to the same type as generations before her.
Maybe it’s sexual and the subconcious doesnt see the “new” fishies as a worthy mate ? (more important to be protected physically, rather than emotionally)
My last relationship was with someone raised to be independent, who had a much better career than I have and who was raised in a much more liberal part of the U.S. I had a hard time getting her to understand, that it was hard for myself to see what “good” I brought her, afterall she more or less had no “real” need for me.
While she replied with, “you can love me and be there for me” I still had a habit of wondering if that was enough.
So while Im more open minded about such matters (the woman being the breadwinner and reversal of the traditional roles)
I do feel it’s just really hard to abandon the feeling that alot of men are going to behave a certain way because they feel to do otherwise would be “unmanly” and therefore unapealling to potential partners.
Yes in this very article I mention that “We, as women, are stuck between two worlds. On one hand we are attracted to the manly guy [...]On the other hand we are now aware that this is no longer acceptable or feasible for the modern woman.”
By subconcious, I think you mean beyond sexual, it is biological. We were once accustomed to trying to score the toughest caveman, where as now, some of the toughest people I know are female. When men no longer need to make a killing, to be the provider and protector their role MUST change.
But that doesn’t mean the “manly” role is completely eliminated. We want a sensitized man, not an overtly sensitive man. Someone we have to constantly reassure or baby, we don’t mind giving emotional support to men as well but we don’t want to marry another hetero girl.
It is hard to change and it is hard for us to see with open eyes what we really want. No one said change was easy, hence why this and the younger generation is so problematic. There are few and solid relationships these days because of everyone’s feelings towards this change, men and women. It is time to change the perception of what is “manly” and what is “lady-like.”
I can tell that this is not the first time at all that you write about the topic. Why have you chosen it again?